“具身出海”与精神远征：《娑萨朗》，探讨中国史诗的世界性表达 | 雪漠对话国际学者（第6期）

“具身出海”与精神远征：《娑萨朗》，探讨中国史诗的世界性表达 | 雪漠对话国际学者（第6期）

Dialogue Between Xuemo and International Scholars (Session 6): “Embodied Going Global” and Spiritual Expedition — Xuemo and Yan Jiexiong in Dialogue on Suosalang, Exploring the Global Expression of Chinese Epics

2026年4月26日，第六期“雪漠对话国际学者”系列活动在云端成功举办。本次活动由世界文学联合会雪漠基金会主办，吸引了来自中国、美国、加拿大等多国的知名学者、汉学家与广大读者参与。著名作家雪漠、主持人陈彦瑾，以及中南大学晏杰雄教授、同济大学莫冉教授、美国鲍林格林州立大学杨敏副教授等学者展开深度对话，围绕雪漠长篇史诗《娑萨朗》的创作内涵、艺术成就及世界性价值进行了热烈研讨。

On April 26, 2026, the 6th session of the “Dialogue between Xuemo and International Scholars” series was successfully held via zoom. The event was jointly organized by the World Literature Union and the Xue Mo Foundation, attracting renowned scholars, sinologists, and readers from China, the United States, Canada, and other countries.

The renowned writer Xuemo, moderator Chen Yanjin, and scholars including Professor Yan Jiexiong, Professor Riccardo Moratto from Tongji University, and Associate Professor Yang Min from Bowling Green State University (USA) engaged in in-depth dialogue. The discussion focused on the creative essence, artistic achievements, and global significance of Xuemo’s epic Suosalang.

雪漠谈国际获奖：重在“参与”与“进入”

Xuemo on International Literary Awards: The Importance of “Participation” and “Entering the System”

活动伊始，刚从纽约图书大奖颁奖典礼归来的雪漠首先分享了获奖感受。他表示，自己对于国内外各类奖项“不是很看重”，更视其为一种“参与”。通过亲身参与纽约图书大奖、牛津文学节、瓜达拉哈拉书展等国际文学活动，他得以深入西方文学出版界的“游戏规则”，让更多海外出版家、作家和读者了解其作品与思想。雪漠认为，美国文学活动体系化、实用性强，能有效将作家推向市场；而中国作家出海，不能仅限于华人圈，必须通过持续参与，介入主流的游戏规则，才能实现真正有效的国际传播。这种“身体在场”的“具身出海”模式，为中国文学走出去提供了宝贵的实践经验。

At the beginning of the dialogue, Xuemo, who had just returned from the New York Big Book Awards ceremony, shared his reflections on receiving the award. He stated that he does not place great importance on domestic or international literary prizes, viewing them instead as a form of “participation.”Through his direct involvement in international literary events such as the New York Book Awards, the Oxford Literary Festival, and the Guadalajara International Book Fair, he has been able to gain an in-depth understanding of the “rules of the game” within the Western literary and publishing system, thereby enabling more overseas publishers, writers, and readers to become familiar with his works and ideas.

Xuemo believes that the literary event system in the United States is highly structured and practically oriented, effectively bringing writers into the market. In contrast, Chinese writers going global should not limit themselves to Chinese-speaking communities; rather, they must continuously participate and engage with mainstream cultural and publishing systems in order to achieve truly effective international communication.

This model of “embodied going global,” emphasizing physical presence and active participation, offers valuable practical experience for the international dissemination of Chinese literature.

《野狐岭》获奖引关注

The Award-Winning Wild Fox Ridge Draws Attention; Dialogue Turns to Suosalang

本次雪漠的获奖作品为《野狐岭》英文版。主持人陈彦瑾简要介绍了这部被称为雪漠创作“回归”标志的作品。随后，对话核心转向雪漠更具里程碑意义的巨著——《娑萨朗》。陈彦瑾指出，这部作品标志着雪漠从一位中国作家跃升为具有世界性气象的作家。

The award-winning work in this session was the English edition of Wild Fox Ridge. Moderator Chen Yanjin briefly introduced the novel as a landmark work marking a “return” in Xuemo’s creative trajectory. The dialogue then shifted toward his more monumental epic work—Suosalang. Chen Yanjin noted that this work signifies Xuemo’s transformation from a Chinese writer into a writer with truly global literary stature.

晏杰雄：中华文明的融汇与原型写作

Yan Jiexiong: The Integration of Chinese Civilization and Archetypal Writing

中南大学晏杰雄教授发表了题为“中华文明的融汇和史诗的原型”的主旨报告。他认为《娑萨朗》是一部必将进入世界文学坐标的“传世之作”和“第一部现代汉语史诗”。晏教授从五个层面阐述了他的阅读体会：

Professor Yan Jiexiong of Central South University delivered a keynote presentation titled “The Integration of Chinese Civilization and Archetypal Epic Structures.” He argued that Suosalang is a “timeless masterpiece” destined to enter the coordinates of world literature, and may be regarded as the first modern epic written in the Chinese language.

He summarized his reading experience across five dimensions:

一是作品蕴含了古老的“远征-回归”史诗原型结构；

二是其宏大的叙述具有古典史诗的缓慢与临近感；

三是成功融汇了儒、释、道中华文明精髓，尤其突出了“相由心生”的佛家智慧与大量心理描写；

四是在古老史诗框架中注入了现代词汇、人生哲理与人性表达，使之成为一部“现代史诗”；

五是其“汪洋恣肆”的写作是一种“集体无意识”的呈现，如荣格所言，道出了千万人的声音。

1.   The work embodies the ancient epic archetype of “expedition–return.”

2.   Its grand narrative structure carries the slow rhythm and immersive proximity characteristic of classical epics.

3.   It successfully integrates the essence of Confucianism, Buddhism, and Daoism, especially highlighting the Buddhist insight that “form arises from mind,” along with extensive psychological depiction.

4.   It infuses modern vocabulary, life philosophy, and humanistic expression into an ancient epic framework, thus becoming a “modern epic.”

5.   Its “vast and unrestrained” narrative style reflects a form of collective unconscious expression, in the Jungian sense, giving voice to millions.

在与雪漠的对话环节，晏杰雄就“娑萨朗星球的秘境本质”、“两条叙事线索的联系”、“创作的艺术资源”、“原始思维与现代元素的嫁接”以及“永恒主题”等深层问题进行了提问。雪漠回应指出，《娑萨朗》并非简单的虚构，其创作源于自身长期的生命实践，是一种“开放式、关照式、忘我的写作”，是精神境界的“成像”与自然呈现。他谈到，作品借鉴并超越了以往史诗在人物塑造上的不足，其精神维度根植于东方智慧独有的超越性。写作时，他有意采用全人类能理解的“当代语境”，以促进跨文化理解。对于“永恒”的追求，雪漠阐释为一种精神性的圆满构建，象征了人类文明发展的理想维度。

In the dialogue session with Xuemo, Professor Yan Jiexiong raised a series of profound questions concerning the “mystical nature of the Suosalang planet,” the relationship between its two narrative threads, the artistic resources behind its creation, the integration of primordial thinking with modern elements, and its overarching theme of “eternity.”

In response, Xuemo stated that Suosalang is not a mere work of fiction; rather, its creation stems from long-term lived experience and spiritual practice. It is a form of “open, contemplative, and selfless writing,” a process in which spiritual realization is rendered into form and naturally manifested.

He further explained that the work both draws upon and transcends the limitations of character construction in earlier epic traditions, with its spiritual dimension rooted in the uniquely transcendent quality of Eastern wisdom. During the writing process, he intentionally adopts a “contemporary context” that can be understood by all humanity, in order to facilitate cross-cultural comprehension.

Regarding the pursuit of “eternity,” Xuemo interpreted it as a form of spiritual fulfillment, symbolizing an ideal dimension in the development of human civilization.

莫冉、杨敏：文明对话与作家主体的消解

Riccardo Moratto and Yang Min: Civilizational Dialogue and the Dissolution of Authorial Subjectivity

同济大学莫冉教授关注作品中不同文明传统的融合问题。雪漠回应说，创作时已将各种文明元素完全化为自身血肉，呈现出一种无标签的、浩瀚的整体性。作品是自身成长阶段的呈现，而学者与读者的对话互动，也为其创作世界提供了营养。

ProfessorRiccardo Moratto of Tongji University focused on the integration of different civilizational traditions within the work.

In response, Xuemo stated that, in the process of creation, all elements of diverse civilizations have been fully internalized and transformed into his own “flesh and blood,” resulting in a vast, label-free sense of wholeness. He emphasized that the work is a manifestation of his own stages of spiritual and creative growth, and that the dialogue between scholars and readers also serves as nourishment for his evolving literary world.

美国鲍林格林州立大学杨敏副教授则从创作主体性角度提问，关切作家在修行中“消解自我”与文学叙事“建构自我”之间的张力。雪漠详细分享了自己曾用数年时间刻意“打碎”作为作者的风格化自我，直至其消失，从而让作品人物自主“活出来”的创作历程。他强调，当作家消解小我、融入整体后，其创作便如自然生长，能引发跨种族、跨文化的普遍共情，这是其作品赢得广大读者的关键。

Associate Professor Yang Min of Bowling Green State University approached the discussion from the perspective of authorial subjectivity, raising concerns about the tension between the dissolution of the self in spiritual cultivation and the construction of selfhood in literary narrative.

In response, Xuemo shared in detail that he once deliberately spent years “breaking down” his stylistically constructed authorial self until it gradually disappeared, allowing the characters in his works to “live on their own.”

He emphasized that when a writer dissolves the small self and merges into a larger whole, creation becomes a process of natural growth. Such writing, he argued, can generate universal empathy across racial and cultural boundaries, which is a key reason his works resonate with a broad global readership.

总结：文学作为连接世界的整体

Conclusion: Literature as a Force Connecting the World as a Whole

雪漠在总结中表示，每次与学者的对话都是彼此世界的碰撞与丰富。他期望通过《娑萨朗》这样的作品以及持续的国际对话，让文学成为连接人类、唤起共情、促进整体和谐的力量。

Xuemo stated in his concluding remarks that every dialogue with scholars represents an encounter and mutual enrichment between different intellectual worlds. He expressed his hope that through works such as Suosalang and sustained international dialogues, literature can become a powerful force that connects humanity, awakens empathy, and fosters holistic harmony.

据悉，精选的对话内容将在《世界文学》杂志发表，并计划译介至英语世界，持续推动中国当代文学与世界学界的深度交流。

It is reported that the content of this dialogue series will be published in World Literature and will also be translated and introduced to the English-speaking world, further promoting in-depth exchange between contemporary Chinese literature and global academia.